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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 10:39:56 GMT -5
Post by Godzilla on Feb 17, 2005 10:39:56 GMT -5
So are you gonna change it or what?
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 10:42:06 GMT -5
Post by PyrasTerran on Feb 17, 2005 10:42:06 GMT -5
I don't know yet why I should... why can the AT field protect against demonic attacks but not holy attacks?
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 10:58:31 GMT -5
Post by Godzilla on Feb 17, 2005 10:58:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that he meant that it can't completely negate Holy or Demonic attacks. If you toned it down, i"m sure he'd be content.
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 11:15:34 GMT -5
Post by Gigan on Feb 17, 2005 11:15:34 GMT -5
You also seem to forget that Gigan has, since your disappearance, been taking control of that. Don't be surprised if I'm still stuck in the habit of asking one of them to do approval. I was going to say something to that effect, but... well, it's been covered. As for the deific negation ability, Sachiel isn't going up against God himself here, just beings that use holy or unholy abilities. The only creature that comes close to being a true god is Mephisto, while all others simply draw much power from good or evil, or portray themselves as godlike. This has nothing to do with the fact that Sachiel has the potential to take on Tarresque, does it?
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 12:17:39 GMT -5
Post by PyrasTerran on Feb 17, 2005 12:17:39 GMT -5
I don't think it's because Sachiel is capable of fighting Tarresque toe-to-toe, but deific beasts in general, which Sam regards to be the toughest of the tough and shouldn't have ways to be defeated by anything other than another deific being.
The reason I made Sachiel's AT field so strong is because his weakness is basically like having your heart placed in front of the ribcage rather than behind it. It's not difficult at all to break the S2 Organ.
To add to the topic at hand on negating effects..
I don't believe I have done anything that hasn't been done before. Weapon created Kumasogami, who can easily defend against psychic monsters. Sam made Tarresque's second form, which can easily defend against dark monsters. So what boundary have I broken to have Sachiel able to defend against dark and holy monsters, which in reality, only make up the minimum of the roster(Anthracite, Gamera, Godzilla, Omega Weapon, Daemon, Megagear, Legion... a whole sleuth of monsters are capable of getting through the AT Field if they use a powerful enough attack).
I'm not trying to be difficult, I simply want to know what makes divine creatures special to the rule.
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 14:02:11 GMT -5
Post by Godzilla on Feb 17, 2005 14:02:11 GMT -5
Your make some good points Trent.
Why exactly should Deific beings be "invincible"? Every type has a weakness, Ive learned that from every TCG I've ever played.
But then again in the Pokemon TCG, Psychic is only weak against Psychic... WHich is like Deific only being able to be defeated by Deific.
I'll wait for better explanations on this before deciding anything.
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 14:45:51 GMT -5
Post by Tarresque on Feb 17, 2005 14:45:51 GMT -5
If you want explanations, then go look at my new essay in the Rules section. That covers a whole spectrum of subjects. To Trent and Gigan: I'm not concerned with Tarresque fighting this guy. Tarresque isn't even going to exist long after he defeats Asmodeus and/or Mephistopheles; that was my plan from Day One. I'm looking out for posterity here. We may not have Kaiju who have omnipotence as an all-out ability, but anything with the deific template is still technically a god, and nothing can completely negate the attacks of a god. The same unfourtunately holds true for demonic entities. If you wish to adjust the AT field in a manner that pleases me (and will thus get me to shut up quicker), modify it so that instead of negating the abilities, it simply lessens their awesome power by a full half, which is saying a lot if the attack is coming from a divine source. For added kick, add in that prolonged exposure to the AT field has the potential to then negate the diety's powers (unless it states in a move's description that it can't be negated; deific movesets outrank most other moves). Basically, you'd be getting what you originally intended for the AT field, but only after a certain amount of time. Time it to, say five minutes. The reason divine (and their infernal counterparts) are "special" is because, simply put, they are the powers that be. You may or may not have specified in Sachiel's origin, but it's not all that difficult to imagine a deity creating him. After all, only a god could create a creature of Sachiel's calibre. In any RPG, a diety is the end-all and be-all entity in the game, and their powers just simply can not be negated that easily. And this is what we're playing in: an RPG. Goji also brought up a valid point: only dieties and their ilk can effectively combat dieties. If you need any more of an explanation, then PM me directly, instead of taking up space on the sheet.
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 14:59:00 GMT -5
Post by PyrasTerran on Feb 17, 2005 14:59:00 GMT -5
I didn't go into full detail, so I'll explain what I had had in mind of Sachiel's origins:
there are gods, yes, but they come in catagories, lesser gods, and greater gods, or infact one all-mighty god. Sachiel was made by the mightiest of gods to keep any deific/demonic interferance in wars to a minimum until Judgement Day. Mephisto's made the mistake of trying to quicken the time of Judgement Day, and Sachiel was the one created to respond to that.
Simply put, I was under the impression that while there were plenty of gods and demons on earth, they were still ruled by one omnipotent God.
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 16:35:11 GMT -5
Post by Daemon on Feb 17, 2005 16:35:11 GMT -5
Ok both of you stop right now before you get started, NO ARGUING. But I like this character and approve... on one condition. I get to eat the guy's heart later. I wanna see if Chaos will grow a human arm if he does.
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 16:51:39 GMT -5
Post by skylinelex on Feb 17, 2005 16:51:39 GMT -5
Yea, the AT field is perfectly fine the way it is, remember people, when its up, Sachiel cant attack eather. I mean hes got one of the biggest weaknesses yet, and he said it himself, its not hard to destroy. And he is an angel from GOD. in case most of you forgot, god is the shiznit. He can whoop any of these kaiju's asses without even thinking about it. Sachiel was made DIRRECTLY by him. So these lesser gods deific attacks arent going to do squat to his AT field. And sam, that cut the damage in half crap, half of a Deific attack is all it takes to bust his S2 organ.
Theres my two cents..wheres yours??
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 17:09:36 GMT -5
Post by Shadow on Feb 17, 2005 17:09:36 GMT -5
Dammit people! use some imagination!
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 17:24:22 GMT -5
Post by Emmisary on Feb 17, 2005 17:24:22 GMT -5
Or you could do the smart thing and keep your mouth shut 'till they're finished arguing
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Sachiel
Feb 17, 2005 23:38:53 GMT -5
Post by PyrasTerran on Feb 17, 2005 23:38:53 GMT -5
Instead of negating it, would it be fine if the AT field deflected it? The attack is still there, just re-directed.
Or if I go by what Sam suggests, then I will have to toughen up the S2 Organ.
So which choice shall it be?
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Sachiel
Feb 18, 2005 0:04:56 GMT -5
Post by skylinelex on Feb 18, 2005 0:04:56 GMT -5
Fuck that, i say leave it the way it is.
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Sachiel
Feb 18, 2005 0:36:43 GMT -5
Post by PyrasTerran on Feb 18, 2005 0:36:43 GMT -5
Actually, I kinda like deflected more. Then that means it can cause collateral damage outside the shield, maybe even possibly hit someone else So, that's it then. instead of negated, they are deflected.
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